MH17 – Evidence mounts for jet fighter involvement

from 4 bit News:

Which camp are you in? Was it the Russians or the Ukrainians? New radar data indicating that military aircraft were in the air near Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 when it crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17 has been released by a Russian air safety consultancy. The consultancy provided a snapshot representing the readings taken by a radar station located in Russia’s Rostov, near the Ukrainian border, shortly before and about 20 minutes after the MH17 crash.
According to Sergey Melnichenko, CEO of Aviation Safety consultancy, there were one or two warplanes in the air close to the Malaysian airliner.


And of course we must remind all those who shouted “It was Putin wot done it,” that so far we have not seen a single shed of evidence to back up Barack Obama’s claim to ‘conclusive evidence’ that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing was brought down by pro Russia separatists with Russian military assistance. Good thing we didn’t go to war over the jug eared jihadists ludicrous allegations isn’t it?

MH17: More evidence points to Kiev / Washington False Flag

Last week Little Nicky relayed reports (yes, relayed; in spite of what some authoritarians would have you believe, I don’t make this stuff up, it’s all reported) accounts of two German aviation experts who testified that their examination of photographs showing wreckage from around the cockpit area of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 shot down over Ukraine were consistent with heavy calibre machine gun fire, which suggested the plane had been shot down by fighter jets or as one suggested by a type of air to air missile which would cause similar damage.

sukhoi su27 jet fighter
An SU27 Jet Fighter (wikimedia commons)

Nobody had complete information at the time but it had been reported (erroniously as it turns out) that the Ukrainian Air Force had two Russian built SU25 fighters shadowing flight MH17.

A a visitor signed in as “Jim” commented rather triumphantly (which made me suspect Jim could be a member of this community who has tried to challenge me on this issue before and been comprehensively twatted) that the SU25 fighter is a low altitude aircraft designed for ground support operations and was not capable of flying alongside the Boeing which was cruising at 33,000 feet.

Correct. But the triumphalism was misplaced. The reports of the German experts triggered a wave of investigation into the version of events published by the FUKUS axis sponsored government in Kiev. This quickly revealed that the Ukraine Military Air Force also has SU27 fighters (nicknamed by NATO air forces “the flanker” – hmmmm. The SU27 is built by the same maker and has a service ceiling of over 60,000 feet.

So far Kiev is denying that any of their warplanes were airborne at the time over east Ukraine, but eye witnesses and technological data testify that flight MH17 was being flanked by two smaller aircraft.

The problem people like Jim, who desperately want to believe the Americans are the good guys, have in dealing with this kind of incident it they find it all too easy to persuade themselves to believe the narrative constructed in the first propaganda releases. These accounts are the ones published by sensationalist tabloids and swallowed by many people. Which is fine unless those people then try to pass themselves off as authorities on the subject.

The more level headed will of course be aware that in a case like this it can be weeks, even months before we start to get anywhere near the truth. And so we wait to see what emerges, and consider every piece of evidence and every opinion from every angle.

There is still no evidence that points to who actually shot down Flight MH17 (the “compelling evidence” Barack Obama claimed to have turned out to be nothing more than social media chatter) but whereas the shills for war have as yet produced nothing of substance, those who suspect a false flag as justification for war are being well served with reports from various sources.

You can read a full and unbiased analysis (none of the “President Obama likes gays so that proves the Russians are responsible,” left wing bullshit) titled “Systematically Reconstructing the Shoot-Down of the Malaysian Airliner: The Guilt Is Clear and Damning” with plenty of links to authoritative sources, or alternatively take a look at this story from Malaysia newspaper and online news site New Straits Times: MH17: Pockmarks look like from very, very heavy machine gun fire, says first OSCE monitor on-scene

An interesting snippet from that story tells us:

In a damning report dated Aug 3, headlined “Flight 17 Shoot-Down Scenario Shifts”, Associated Press reporter Robert Parry said “some US intelligence sources had concluded that the rebels and Russia were likely not at fault and that it appears Ukrainian government forces were to blame”.

Remember, consider every piece of evidence and all opinions from every angle. And don’t be impressed just because somebody waves a PhD at you and says he’s a scientist. I’ve met many scientists in my career and outside their very narrow field of expertise (which is mostly confined to theory) most of them were CHIMPS (Completely Hopeless In Most Practical Situations)

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Flight MH17 – This Is Very Interesting

Found a great comment is a thread at The Daily Telegraph under a totally nutty article by a writer called Con Coughlin. In the case of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 Coughlin slags off Putin as a pathological liar (wrong, Putin is a Russian leader who likes to remind us that the rest of the world plays by different rules to those the wussy west would like to impose on them.

On top of that Coughlin seem to think that anything uttered by the war criminal and mass murderer, former rent boy, cocaine addict and wannabe Emperor Obama mudt be gospel truth even though the man has been caught out in more lies than Pinocchio.

Take a look at the article if you are feeling masochistic.

Here’s what GreatBrithole had to say

The video above asks the question, ‘who shot down MH17?’ If you’re interested in the answer to that you might want to view this video –

It’s important to notice that it was uploaded on June (not July) the 18th – a month ago.

Click the fourth icon from the right (captions) and set it to show English captions, if it doesn’t already. Then fast forward to 1.06. Or view the transcript by clicking the transcript icon further down, near the video description.

Here’s the important part of the transcript (spelling errors included) –

‘Terrible things are happening. For example an incident that happened recently. Passanger plane was flying by. And Ukrainian attack aircraft hid behind it. Than he lowered his altitude a bit and droped bombs on residential sector of Semenovka town. Than he regained the altitude and hid behind the passanger plane again. Than he left. They wanted to provoke the militia to shoot at the passenger plane. There would be a global catastrophe. Civilians would have died. Than they would say that terrorists here did it. There are no terrorists here.’

It’s worth considering that it could be possible that the person who uploaded this video has tampered with the transcript yesterday/recently, or updated it somehow – I don’t speak Ukrainian so I can’t verify if the words match the transcript and I don’t know if youtube change the upload date if the details are updated, although this page suggests that it’s not easy to change video details without youtube classing it as a different, new upload –

But regardless, it’s interesting.

Now we don’t know if that is true or not but it shows the folly of Con Coughlin and many others in mainstream media who is every situation divide the players into “white hats” and “black hats”.

There are many ways of looking at everything and the sooner we try to understand that Russians, Arabs, Chinese and Africans have a very different mindset from westerners and thus view things from a different perspective, we will continue to screw up foreign relations.

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Whatever War Crimes Obama Accuses Russia Of You Can Bet America Has done It First.

World policitical leaders and media sycophants are lining up to condemn Russia for the dowing on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 over Ukraine. Here are a few snippets from our coverage: