History Today #1

“There are two overriding objections to modern culture’s eagerness to put labels on people. The first is that, often intentionally and sometimes merely carelessly, a label diminishes the complexity, nuance and uncertainty of the person on whom it is stuck. The second is that the label provides a lazy excuse to stop thinking about what the neatly labelled person is actually saying.”

With No Common Culture A Common History Is Impossible

Martin Kettle make a argument for teaching an English history curriculum instead of framing our children’s historical knowledge within the distorted and totally inaccurate narrative of Martin Luther King and the U. S. civil rights movement which has little to do with British history.

The Peterloo Massacre, the Napoleonic Wars and the birth of the Trade Union movement are British history so why erase these things but retain a very subjective view of slavery in the USA?

We must decide it is time to say, “Look, this stuff happened, it was a long time ago and nobody involved is still alive. Get over it.

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12 thoughts on “History Today #1

    1. The section in quotation marks is cut and pasted from Martin Kettle’s article. How can he be saying no such thing.

      It is quite clear from the punctuation (or would be to anyone but a thick, orthodox, unthinking member of the Labour Thought Police where Kettle is being quoted, when I am summarizing his article and where I am adding my own comment.

      Learn to read if you want to comment here. There’s more to it than just knowing the names of the words.

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      1. The section in quotation marks does not support your own claim that Martin Kettle is – to use your words

        “Martin Kettle make a argument for teaching an English history curriculum instead of framing our children’s historical knowledge within the distorted and totally inaccurate narrative of Martin Luther King and the U. S. civil rights movement which has little to do with British history.”

        I really cannot see where you are coming from on this particularly as the only mention of Martin Luther King in the article is Martin Kettle’s quoting of Niall Ferguson that his children know more about Dr King than they do of Martin Luther

        But go ahead and do a bit of labelling and insulting of me if it makes you feel better

        Labout thought police – that’s a good un

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      2. So my reading of it is different to yours. Oh sorry, you’re a Labour supporter so nobody is allowed to have a different opinion to yours which you were given by the Labour Thought Police…..

        Stereotypes label themselves.

        I was conflating Kettle’s article with things I have heard from teachers and parents about how the Tudor era, the interregnum and Civil War, the Empire and the technological advances of the 19th century are being sidelined but a lot of time is spent on the US civil rights movement. Martin Kettle’s buddy also has that feeling too, so I made the connection. Legitimate technique in op – ed writing.

        Have you not heard comparisons bewteen New Labour and the Big Brother regime in Orwell’s 1984, particularly in the attempts to manipulate public opinion and impose orthodoxy of thought. The only people who could not see the similarity were Labour supporters. We Lib Dems have been sniggering about it for years. Alistair Campbell as head of the Ministry Of Truth?

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      3. “So my reading of it is different to yours. Oh sorry, you’re a Labour supporter so nobody is allowed to have a different opinion to yours which you were given by the Labour Thought Police…..”

        My difference with you is not about opinion but over a matter of fact – Martin Kettle was pointing out that that the children of a well known historian know more about a contempory american figure than they do about an important european figure

        From this you feel it is appropriate to state that Martin Kettle believes that the history curriculum in this country should be based more strongly on the civil rights movement in the USA

        That isn’t a legitimate op-ed technique – that is just plain wrong

        For all of you claiming of the high moral ground it did not stop you insulting me, a person of whom you know nothing – clearly haveing the temerity to disagree with something you have written is enough for you to judge me

        Fair enough

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      4. From this you feel it is appropriate to state that Martin Kettle believes that the history curriculum in this country should be based more strongly on the civil rights movement in the USA

        Actually what I said and believe are the exact opposite of that. So you proved me right, you can’t reread. As for your having the temerity to disagree with something I wrote, as you are actually disagreeing with something I did not write, what’s your problem?

        Martin Kettle was making the point that we can never create a multicultural society as the various cultures have no common historical narrative. He quotes his friend’s comment to show that more of the history curriculum is devoted to the US civil rights movement that to important European events. I was merely hammering that point home with a bigger hammer in order to get people to go and read him. It is you not I who is wrong and as you keep repeating your error while still claiming you are right I am clearly justified in insulting you.

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  1. Guess we all get labelled – and do our share of sticking too.

    Post Whitehaven mayhem, I felt dozens plastered on me by women with their obligatory (guard) dogs today as I sauntered on a Hertfordshire nature trail.
    And they all carried the same nasty broad felt tip scrawl of a Bird-fuelled presumption/suspicion writ large.

    Guy on his own walking slowly. Middle of a wood. Without a dog. Wearing shades.
    = possible (probable) Bob Napper mk 2

    A stranger is just a psychopath they’ve never met. No wonder single males are made to feel uncomfortable on society, no wonder couples stay together out of fear.

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    1. You should come back up north, here if you go for a walk in the country alone the people you meet (usually carrying banjos and sporting some very bad teeth) will be weirder than you. 🙂

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  2. Sir, iff you intend to launch un débat sur what should you teach in English history curriculum I suggest you rather teach your great historic interactions with a great neighbouring folk that produces great wine and from which the Britons have stolen the great chanson “Grand Dieu sauve le Roi” and have made the God save the King” (ou Queen – selon l’individu règnant) out of it – THIS is what you should teach in schools… 🙂

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    1. I think the history of interactions with our equally cultured neighbours should be taught in schools – so long as they keep my interactions with Fabienne and Claire out of it 😉

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