Honour Killing? Honour My Arse.

The most shocking news story this week has been that of the honour killing inquest. Though it is clear a young British girl (let’s not forget this is a British schoolgirl we are talking about) was murdered either by or at the command of members of her own family, probably because of a friendship with a boy not approved of by her father and brothers.

What the hearing has uncovered is that there are several such killings each year, that are known of. This excludes the British girls of Asian families who refuse an arranged marriage and are shipped off to the ancestral homeland and simply never seen by their British friends again.

It is easy to point the finger at one religion here, but religions tend to be tribal in their nature and most ancient mythologies, including European paganism, include a story in which the primary God asks a leader to sacrifice their own child to save the tribe from destruction. Myths are not meant to be read literally however, and the symbolism is clear, that sometimes we are going to have to choose between self interest and the good of the community. Personal honour does not enter into it.

Unfortunately the three Abrahamic religions do have this foolish tendency to read their “holy scriptures,” in all cases a hotch potch of myths culled from other cultures and silly fairy stories invented to make the God of these religions look good. In the more extreme forms of these religions, great emphasis is put on the necessity of “putting god first,” in other words placing more importance on kissing god’s arse than on doing the decent and human thing.

Now if we all carried on by killing our daughters because they dishonoured us and our families by having flings with totally inappropriate boys, believe me there would be very few women over twenty five in the world (and most of them mingers.) But most of us, be we Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or Atheist do not carry on like that. We support our children, tolerate their follies and are always on hand with a big tube of Ego-stik to put them back together when they are in pieces. This is because most of us are not ruled by religion. As William Blake or someone of that era said, “Religion wages war on human nature.”

So if that young woman from Warrington is to be granted justice and we are to continue to call ourselves a civilised nation, we must now bring religions (including Scientology and other American crackpot cults) under the scrutiny of the law. Under British law nobody should be pressured to dress in a way they do not wish to, nobody should be pressured into marrying somebody they do not want to, nobody should be controlled or brainwashed by religious authority figures and we should never as a nation be willing to accept “you don’t understand our religion” as an excuse for lawbreaking.

Some of my friends have argued the case for religious freedom in the past. It’s a fine principle but the problem is once religionists are granted freedom, they immediately use it to restrict the freedom of their followers. In our zeal to protect the rights and freedoms of monority groups, it seems we often allow ourselves to be suckered into protecting the righs and freedoms of those who think they have a right to abuse others. Where is the honour in that?

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15 thoughts on “Honour Killing? Honour My Arse.

  1. Having just read “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins, I was enlightened and surprised by just how much can be excused/explained away by religion. I thoroughly recommend it if you haven’t already read it.

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    1. I have not read that one yet, but I have studied religions critically for years. I’m putting a link in my reply to semafu to a very interesting site.

      Basically I have nothing against religion except when theyt start shouting about killing non believers. Gods are created by people and as such their religions are not above human law.

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  2. You’re right not to point the finger at one religion. Remember in Ireland, up until very recently, girls were shoved into institutions for any sexual “offence” that embarrassed their families. Seen the film The Magdalene Sisters? 😉

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    1. Yeah, we talked about it befor Ros. I described events as taking place in the 1950s but you corrected me, it was the 1960s.

      And the sexual offences these girls were deemed morally deficient and banged up for could be as trivial as merely talking to a boy or dyeing their hair.

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  3. Unfortunately the three Abrahamic religions do have this foolish tendency to read their “holy scriptures,” in all cases a hotch potch of myths culled from other cultures and silly fairy stories invented to make the God of these religions look good. ….. As William Blake or someone of that era said, “Religion wages war on human nature.”

    Is this what you had in mind;

    1Jn3: This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. … Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. … If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth…

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    1. Your comment is very valid as will become clear. As you will see below, the clear message The Bible gives is we are to not to murder our enemies (see semafu’s comment) which is only human nature taken to the extreme but we should kill everybody else, not if they offend us, but if they are guilty of not believing in God or not obeying the cruel, homophobic, misogynistic laws of the misanthropic God or of simply following their (human) nature by doing the most natural thing in the world.
      Glad we managed to clear that up.

      So when I said the Abrahamic religions have a foolish tendency to read their holy scriptures literally did I mean stuff about loving each other? Oh dear, oh dear. No, I meant this: (all quotes abstracted from Evil Bible

      Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
      Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
      Kill Witches
      You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
      Kill Homosexuals
      “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
      Kill Fortunetellers
      A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
      Death for Hitting Dad
      Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
      Death for Cursing Parents
      1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
      2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
      Death for Adultery
      If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
      Death for Fornication
      A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
      Death to Followers of Other Religions
      Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
      Kill Nonbelievers
      They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
      Kill False Prophets
      If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
      Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
      Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
      Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
      But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
      Kill Followers of Other Religions.
      1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
      2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
      Death for Blasphemy
      One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
      Infidels and Gays Should Die
      So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
      Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
      For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
      Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
      The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

      Sorry to be the one to do that to you, but when in Saudi Arabia women can be executed for losing their viginity, or driven back into a burning building (a girls school) when they tried to flee the blaze without bothering to cover their hair, or when US fundies can call for the death penalty for doctors who perform abortions on girls made pregnant by their (Christian fundamentalist)fathers, or a man who as governor of Arkansas and a fundamentalist Christian minister felt justified in useing his influence to obtain early release for a violent rapist, who was the son of a wealthy republican supporter, in the face of warnings from psychiatrists and prison officers, only for that man to rape again and kill his victim shortly after his release. The minister and former governor is Mike Huckabee, now one of the leading contenders for the Republican candidacy in the Presidential election and winning support by playing the God card at every opportunity. Huckabee sees no reason to apologise for his folly.

      Some forms of Christianity, Islam and Judaeism are quite acceptable and can play a positive role in communities. But only through criticisms such as mine can religion be persuaded to clean up its act. And there is a hell of a lot of shit to clean up.

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      1. your cherry picking is lame – but notice something – all your quotes are from the old testament, excepting the one from Romans.

        look carefully at the Romans quote.

        … because they rejected God, he abandoned them to their shameful desires… […] They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway.

        The abridged version then is – “rejecting God leads to death”

        and he’s not telling people to kill those who reject God – because the sum of his argument (if you read on) is that EVERYONE rejects god and is worthy of death.

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      2. I didn’t cherry pick but cut and pasted from the website linked. Its no good shifting blame to the OT, the track record of Christians on mass slaughter makes the Old Testament boys look like amateurs.
        But I am sure you don’t want me to list all the bloodfests, in my experience Christians are not very keen on the truth. I’ll just remind you of the Arians (5th century AD) and the Cathars (13th Century AD) Both those groups were slaughtered for being the wrong sort of Christians.
        So when you can all get your act together and decide who are the right sort of Christians let us all know.

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